Will we lose our house if we change our Chapter 13 Bankruptcy to a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy? 20 Answers as of November 09, 2011

We have filed a chapter 13 bankruptcy. We are up for final approval next month. We had a 2nd with the same mortgage lender that has been approved for a stripped lien. We are completely current on our 1st mortgage and all trustee payments. My question is if we had to convert our 13 to a chapter 7, would we lose our house or would the lender negotiate with us? The reason I ask this is that from our tax year 2009 we had a 401K loan. The employer went out of business in 2009. They did not repay the loan but were pocketing the money. The loan was written off. The IRS hit us with a huge tax bill, but now has lowered the deficiency of income to $13K. I know this can be included in the trustee payment. Since I lost my job, the deduction of $240 in gas each month can be redirected to the trustee, but I am concerned the trustee may not approve the change and we may have to convert. Even though there is supposed to be an investigation going on, we have not received any money back that was stolen. It is too bad we are so far from you as I have heard good referrals from your office.

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Theodore N. Stapleton, PC
Theodore N. Stapleton, PC | Theodore N. Stapleton
It depends on whether you have equity in the house that is not covered by your exemptions.
Answer Applies to: Georgia
Replied: 11/9/2011
Kenneth A. Parker, P.C.
Kenneth A. Parker, P.C. | Ken Parker
Be careful. From what you have said, the 2nd lien was stripped in your Chapter 13. Converting to a chapter 7 may complicate the 2nd lien since you have not been making payments on the 2nd mortgage. Make sure you talk with your attorney before converting your case.
Answer Applies to: Georgia
Replied: 11/9/2011
Heupel Law
Heupel Law | Kevin Heupel
Typically, yes, you can convert to Chapter 7 from a 13 without any issues. As you mentioned, you will be behind on the second mortgage upon conversion. However, you might offer the second mortgage $3,000 to remove their deed from the home, which some banks will do. We work with several remote clients so don't let distance prevent you from receiving the legal representation you need.
Answer Applies to: Colorado
Replied: 11/8/2011
Janet A. Lawson Bankruptcy Attorney
Janet A. Lawson Bankruptcy Attorney | Janet Lawson
You won't lose your home if the equity is less than 100k. You will lose the lien strip if you convert. Than can only be completed by finishing the ch13. If you lost your job wouldn't your income be less? Therefore the plan payment might not go up 240.00 dollars. Look at all the math if you have lost a job since the filing.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 11/8/2011
Ross Smith, Attorney at Law
Ross Smith, Attorney at Law | Charles Ross Smith III
You will not automatically lose your home if you convert to a chapter 7. However, when you convert, you will have to pay the regular mortgage payment and you will need a way to pay off any arrearages that remain on the mortgage after the Chapter 13 is converted. That can be difficult. Instead, I would advise you to stay in the 13 until your taxes and mortgage arrears are both caught up. Then convert to a 7. Your 13 plan should call for those 2 debts to be paid ahead of the unsecured creditors.
Answer Applies to: Ohio
Replied: 11/8/2011
Grace Law Offices of John F Geraghty Jr.
Grace Law Offices of John F Geraghty Jr. | John F. Geraghty, Jr.
This is a complicated question. Generally a Chapter 7 is a Liquidation Bankruptcy and a Chapter 13 is a payment plan with protection of certain exempt assets such as your home. So I think you are right to Amend your current Chapter 13 and hope you can continue to protect your property.
Answer Applies to: Georgia
Replied: 11/8/2011
Ashman Law Office
Ashman Law Office | Glen Edward Ashman
Chapter 13s that are pro se rarely get approved, and the decision as to whether to amend a plan, convert or dismiss a case is a complex one which a pro se litigant probably will not get right. Note that if you convert, you lose the lien strip. Whether you can keep the home in a 7 is something that requires detailed financial information not in your post.
Answer Applies to: Georgia
Replied: 11/8/2011
Bird & VanDyke, Inc.
Bird & VanDyke, Inc. | David VanDyke
If you convert your case to a chapter 7, you will not lose your home if you are current on the 1st mortgage. If you end up doing a chapter 7 you may be able to negotiate with the second loan holder afterwards. Remember a chapter 7 will not strip the second mortgage lien from your home but it will discharge the debt. If you follow this it puts you in an excellent bargaining position with the bank that holds the second loan.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 11/8/2011
Dan Wilson Bankruptcy
Dan Wilson Bankruptcy | Dan Wilson
These issues are way too complicated for an e-mail, but I will try to respond. If you convert to a 7 you will not be able to strip the 2nd. You can only strip a 2nd in a Ch 13, and you must complete the Ch 13 plan. You probably will not be able to discharge the tax debt, but you will be able to pay it through the plan. However, the entire tax debt by the end of the plan. Don't count on lender to negotiate with you to a meaningful extent. Talk to your attorney about this.
Answer Applies to: Colorado
Replied: 11/8/2011
William P. Turner Law Office, P.A. | William P. Turner
A strip of a second mortgage in bankruptcy usually requires a successful completion of the 13, such that if you convert to a 7 you will likely lose the lien strip. Many of my clients are living in homes where they are only paying the 1st mortgage, who will not forclose as long as the 1st mortgage payments are current. If your are eligible for a lien strip, that means the 2nd mortgage will likely not foreclose, as that would only lead to the first getting the house at the sherriff's sale. The second mortgage may be in a negotiating mood, but would be most interested in a lump sum payment for a release of their lien. You will still owe the taxes if you convert to a 7.
Answer Applies to: Kansas
Replied: 11/8/2011
    The Orantes Law Firm
    The Orantes Law Firm | Giovanni Orantes
    Your question has several parts to it. One thing I'd like to mention first is that the lien securing the junior loan against your house will not be stripped permanently until you complete your Chapter 13 case or, at least, get a discharge, depending on which of those two events the Judge's order indicates. That means that if you plan to keep the house, you should try to confirm a Chapter 13 case. If your case gets converted to Chapter 7 and you're behind on your first mortgage, the bank can proceed to sell your house by simply asking for permission from the Court. I cannot tell where your case was filed from your question, but in places like Riverside, for example, if you cannot confirm a case, the Court will dismiss your case or you can request that it be dismissed so that you may try again. In fact, some judges dismiss the great majority of cases that come up for confirmation and make you re-file until you present a plan with the right (in their view) mix of evidence and payments. The bottom line is that your question is too complex to give you a complete answer without asking you more questions to learn information on which the answer depends.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Harkess and Salter, LLC
    Harkess and Salter, LLC | Stephen Harkess
    The second mortgage is unlikely to attempt to foreclose as there is no equity beyond the first mortgage (otherwise the lien strip would not have been approved). However, if you convert the lien strip will be void which means that the lien will remain on the property and will need to be delt with if you ever refinance or sell the proeprty. Additionally, the second mortgage may look to foreclose sometime in the future if property values increase and there is equity.
    Answer Applies to: Colorado
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    The Law Office of Darren Aronow, PC
    The Law Office of Darren Aronow, PC | Darren Aronow
    First, you need to find out if your motion to strip the second was contingent on completion of the chapter 13 or not. If not, then converting to a chapter 7 may lose your lien strip. As for the 1st mortgage, find out if your district has a loss mitigation program so you can try to modify in bankruptcy. The lender does not have to modify you and although you still have to go through the foreclosure process in state court, you do risk losing your home to foreclosure. If you have no choice but to convert to a chapter 7, then you may be still be able to file a new chapter 13, twelve months after your discharge from the chapter 7, but you would have to be able to defend the foreclosure in state court to get you enough time after your discharge (commonly known as a chapter 20). This may or may not help but should give you some points to discuss with your attorney to map out your strategy for your local district.
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Law Office of Michael Johnson
    Law Office of Michael Johnson | Michael Johnson
    if you convert you will need to tall with the second. I think you keep the thirteen if you can and find a way to make your payments.
    Answer Applies to: Florida
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Evans & Evans Law Firm, LLC
    Evans & Evans Law Firm, LLC | Margaret L. Evans
    It depends on the nature of the situation. You can scan and email or fax your documents over so I can see what your case looks like at this point. If you have the ability to get current on the mortgage prior to the discharge of a Chapter 7, AND, provided the house was exempt, you may be able to save the house.
    Answer Applies to: South Carolina
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Charles Schneider, P.C.
    Charles Schneider, P.C. | Charles J. Schneider
    If you convert to a chapter 7 you will not receive the benefit of the 2nd mortgage being stripped away. Whether the 2nd wishes to negotiate with you is a business question not a bankruptcy question. It depends on their policies. Chances are they will not. What motivation is there?
    Answer Applies to: Michigan
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Law Office of Harry L Styron
    Law Office of Harry L Styron | Harry L Styron
    Since you do not have any equity in your house (which I infer from the lien stripping) a Chapter 7 trustee would not attempt to sell it. The conversion from Chapter 13 to 7 will invalidate the lien strip, so you would wind up owing the full amount of the 2nd rather than reaching the end of your Chapter 13 and having it discharged. If the claim of the IRS is based on the "foregiveness of debt" doctrine, then there is specific provision in the Internal Revenue Code that that doctrine does not apply if you are in bankruptcy, and you should file an objection to the IRS claim and an adversary proceeding in the bankruptcy court to have the claim denied. Otherwise, if it is an ordinary deficiency, it is a priority claim. The problem with losing your job is that if you don't have regular income then the Chapter 13 plan becomes infeasible, and once the trustee knows this he or she will probably move to dismiss or convert. Also if you do not have regular income the question is how will you continue to make the payments on the first deed of trust.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Bankruptcy Law office of Bill Rubendall
    Bankruptcy Law office of Bill Rubendall | William M. Rubendall
    If you have equity in your home you are allowed a homestead exemption and the trustee is entitled to any excess equity. If you have no equity in your house, or if your equity is exempt, you can keep your house all long as you make the payments.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Ray Fisher Law Offices
    Ray Fisher Law Offices | Ray Fisher
    This question sounds as if you are in a bankruptcy now. These are questions to ask your bankruptcy lawyer who is familiar with your case.
    Answer Applies to: Texas
    Replied: 11/8/2011
    Charles R. Nettles - Attorney at Law
    Charles R. Nettles - Attorney at Law | Charles R. Nettles
    I guess the part about your question that bothered me was "will the mortgage company negotiate?". That is the $64000 question. The answer is that maybe they will and maybe they won't, and, if they won't, you can't make them. I am not going to tell you what to do. It's your house and it's your gamble. I'm not real fond of the odds that things will work out the way you want.
    Answer Applies to: Texas
    Replied: 11/8/2011
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