Will my son be able to kepp half of the sale of the vehicle if we file for bankruptcy? 17 Answers as of January 31, 2012

We have a vehicle built by my son and husband (no title). If we have to file bankruptcy and sell this asset, will my son be able to keep his half of the sale amount that comes in or does he just lose it? There is no title to show proof of ownership but it belongs to them both.

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Janet A. Lawson Bankruptcy Attorney
Janet A. Lawson Bankruptcy Attorney | Janet Lawson
He should be able to keep his 1/2. Don't file without a lawyer.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 1/31/2012
Olga Matrosova, Attorney at Law
Olga Matrosova, Attorney at Law | Olga Matrosova
Normally, you would need to mention on your bankruptcy petition that your husband owns only 50% of the fair market value (FMV) of the car; and another 50% belongs to your son who should be able to keep it since he does not file for bankruptcy. In the worst case scenario, your son could testify explaining the reasons why he is a good faith co-owner of the car (e.g. he invested his efforts, time and money into building it). Also, even 100% of the FMV of the vehicle might be protected in bankruptcy. It will depend on its FMV and applicable exemptions. However, there might be many other underlying issues.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 1/31/2012
J.M. Cook, P.A. | J.M. Cook
If there is no proof of ownership by either party, you just need to indicate it that way on the schedules. It would also be best to exempt your husband's interest to keep it from being liquidated by a trustee.
Answer Applies to: North Carolina
Replied: 1/31/2012
Heupel Law
Heupel Law | Kevin Heupel
It depends on the trustee, but I'd advise you to title the car in both names before you file. That way, your son can keep his half interest.
Answer Applies to: Colorado
Replied: 1/30/2012
Philip R. Boardman, Attorney at Law
Philip R. Boardman, Attorney at Law | Phil Boardman
Your son will be able to keep his portion. What his portion is may be in dispute. However, if your husband can attest to his portion, you should not have any problems.
Answer Applies to: Virginia
Replied: 1/30/2012
The Law Offices of Kristy Qiu
The Law Offices of Kristy Qiu | Mengjun Qiu
If there is no title at all, it is up to you whether to declare it. If you intend to sell it before bankruptcy, yes your son will be entitled to half of the proceed. If you decide to keep it and sell it after bankruptcy, you need to find an appraiser to determine the value before you can declare the interest you own in it. In most cases, since there is no title, the trustee will simply abandone it back to you.
Answer Applies to: Florida
Replied: 1/30/2012
Benson Law Firm
Benson Law Firm | David Benson
This is a difficult question to answer in a post. Better to contact a local bankruptcy lawyer and ask for a free consultation to sort out what the respective rights are. Generally, assets claimed in bankruptcy are limited to personal interests and do not include the interests of others.
Answer Applies to: Ohio
Replied: 1/30/2012
Diefer Law Group, P.C.
Diefer Law Group, P.C. | Abel Fernandez
I am not too sure why you believe you need to sell this asset. It might be protected in the bankruptcy. I would suggest that you meet with an attorney to discuss this situation because you might not need to sell the asset. If it is because you need the money, I would still recommend that you meet with an attorney prior to you selling assets before you file the bankruptcy.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 1/30/2012
McCallum & McCallum | Donald G. McCallum
Depending on which set of exemptions you choose, the vehicle will probably be exempt, and you will not have to sell it. If the vehicle cannot be exempted, the trustee can sell the asset for the benefit of all your creditors; but, you can buy back the vehicle. If you convince the trustee that your son has an interest, he might pay your son his share.
Answer Applies to: California
Replied: 1/30/2012
The Law Offices of Deborah Ann Stencel | Deborah A. Stencel
The vehicle needs to be scheduled as owned 50% by the filer and 50% by his son If the value of the vehicle is exempted under the available exemptions laws, you have nothing to worry about. If it is not, the son should be prepared to at least testify as to his ownership the agreement between the parties, the time spent building it and the money spent on parts. You should get the vehicle appraised for its value and then consult an attorney who can properly advise you.
Answer Applies to: Wisconsin
Replied: 1/30/2012
    The Law Office of Darren Aronow, PC
    The Law Office of Darren Aronow, PC | Darren Aronow
    If you sell it prior to filing and disclose properly, then it will be up to the trustee if he wants to try to go after that money. He may have enough exemptions to cover all of the money from the car and should talk to a local attorney.
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 1/30/2012
    Law Office of Michael Johnson
    Law Office of Michael Johnson | Michael Johnson
    It matters what it is worth. If no title, it may not be worth much and therefore he may be able to keep it.
    Answer Applies to: Florida
    Replied: 1/30/2012
    Law Office of Louis S. Haskell
    Law Office of Louis S. Haskell | Louis Haskell
    The problem here is one of proof. If your son really owns half of the asset, then he is entitled to half of the proceeds. Proving that he owns half the asset is a different, and difficult, issue. If your son has cancelled checks and credit card receipts which show that he put up half the money to buy parts and materials to build the vehicle, then it should be a relatively straight forward matter to prove that he owns half. Even then, it is possible that the Trustee may look for proof that the money that paid the credit cards or backed up the checks came from your son. If your son's half comes from "sweat equity", or if he paid cash for everything, then you should expect a dog fight, especially if this vehicle is worth a lot of money. If your son's half comes from the fact that your husband is a good guy who wants to share this vehicle with his son, then your son loses.
    Answer Applies to: Massachusetts
    Replied: 1/30/2012
    Bankruptcy Law office of Bill Rubendall
    Bankruptcy Law office of Bill Rubendall | William M. Rubendall
    When an asset that is co-owned the non-filer receives their part of the proceeds from the trustee's sale of the asset.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 1/30/2012
    Carballo Law Offices
    Carballo Law Offices | Tony E. Carballo
    You might have an issue with proving that the vehicle is owned 50% by your son if there is no title and it seems like a vehicle like that might be difficult to value. Assuming that is resolved, your son can buy your husband's share from the trustee at a discounted price. You husband can also pay the trustee for his share of the value of the vehicle and keep the vehicle. This assumes that your husband cannot exempt his interest in the vehicle. The trustee prefers to sell your husband his interest in the vehicle or sell your husband's share to your son because it is quicker and less expensive so you can negotiate for a good price. If the amount involved is less than $5,000 the trustee might not even bother and abandon your husband's share in the vehicle back to your husband. It depends on the trustee and area where you will be filing as to how aggressive they are with regard to the amount that might be unexempt.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 1/28/2012
    Law offices of John P. Brooke | John Brooke
    He should be able to keep half of the proceeds if half is his. He can also pay your husband half of the fair market value and then your husband can live off the money. This way the asset will be your son's and you won't lose it.
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 1/28/2012
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