What happens if a minor killed an assualting drunken man? 35 Answers as of October 28, 2011

What if a man, 18, got drunk and attacked a 16 year old girl. Then her girlfriend, in her home, and a girl, say her sister, 13, fearing for her sister's life, grabbed a knife and stabbed him to save her. What would be her punishment? Would she even receive one under the circumstances?

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Reeves Law Firm, P.C.
Reeves Law Firm, P.C. | Roy L. Reeves
The possible sentence for any crime depends on the crime and many can be charged according to the DA's desires. If this is an actual event and the little girl or girls were charged, you need competent legal counsel now. There are defenses here, your question screams "self defense" "defense of others" and "defense of home" plus there could be others.
Answer Applies to: Texas
Replied: 10/7/2011
The McDonnell Law Firm, PLLC
The McDonnell Law Firm, PLLC | Patrick J. McDonnell
It sounds like self defense to me (protecting an innocent third person) But I really can't give a total, definitive answer without all the details of the incident.
Answer Applies to: New York
Replied: 10/28/2011
Reza Athari & Associates, PLLC | Armand Fried
That is quite a question. If the police and District Attorney believed that the young girl was acting to protect her sister from deadly force, they probably would not seek any punishment. They would have a lot of questions and do a great deal of forensic investigation (angles, time lines, etc.) before they believed that claim. If they did not believe the story, they may well charge the girl as an adult, plus any adults involved would certainly be charged as well.
Answer Applies to: Nevada
Replied: 10/5/2011
Andersen Law PLLC
Andersen Law PLLC | Craig Andersen
If the second girl (the person who did the stabbing) had a reasonable fear that she was about to suffer grievous bodily harm or death or sexual assault, she was privileged to use reasonable force to defend herself or her sister. The amount of force used must be no more than is necessary to stop the attack. However the law gives some deference to situations where the attacker is bigger or stronger than his intended victim. It all comes down to what a jury would conclude but the child using the deadly force probably knew the assailant had assaulted her sister and it is the deceased assailant who forced her to use force so he can't complain that he was stabbed. If more violent criminals would take note, all women would be safer. As long as criminal assailants try to prey on weaker people, they shouldn't be heard to complain that their victim shot or stabbed them.
Answer Applies to: Washington
Replied: 10/5/2011
Michael Breczinski
Michael Breczinski | Michael Breczinski
It depends on the circumstances just like the issue of self defense, there is a legal defense called defense of others. That girl needs an attorney if charged.
Answer Applies to: Michigan
Replied: 10/5/2011
Mark Thiessen, Attorney at Law
Mark Thiessen, Attorney at Law | Mark Thiessen
Nothing, if that's the way it was. Protection of another. You are going to need an attorney to protect you and sell that story. The DA is not your friend and will not listen to you.
Answer Applies to: Texas
Replied: 10/5/2011
Law Office of Phillip Weiser
Law Office of Phillip Weiser | Phillip L. Weiser
This is ultimately a question of fact. The specific facts are very important to the outcome. This may be a case of self defense or the defense of another whereby the killing could be justified. However, if there is a time delay, it could be first degree murder, so this is a very tricky question. An attorney will need to investigate all the facts in order to make that opinion.
Answer Applies to: Kansas
Replied: 10/5/2011
Thomas J. Tomko Attorney At law
Thomas J. Tomko Attorney At law | Thomas J. Tomko
Whether a homicide or justifiable defense of another is at issue it your question. Deadly force typically can become a criminal charge if used in the defense of another where the deadly force outweighs the incident which is occurring. By this I mean, through example, that if a person grabs someone by the arms, a by-stander cannot stab them to death and validly claim self-defense/defense of another. The response, stabbing, far outweighs the event of grabbing. (e.g. assault). However, if the person is choking someone to death, a greater amount of force could be employed to validly claim self-defense/defense of another. The drunken state of the person is a factor to be considered, but it does not change the analysis. Your question is based on many facts which are not provided. You do not describe "attacked." You mention "saved her," but do not describe what she may be saved from. You then skip to punishment without mention of what the charge was or whether the 13-year old was charged as a juvenile and sentenced as an adult, or whether the matter was left as a juvenile charge. Your question is of such a gravity, that if this is an active case, the Internet is not the forum to raise specific questions. Rather, you may consider hiring an attorney to review the facts and present an appropriate defense after a review of the specific facts. As in all cases, the first question is culpability, e.g.: can there be a conviction? The second question is what penalty is appropriate. The will depend on what offense was charged and resulted in the conviction. Mitigating factors, such as intoxication, provocation, and other factors will effect the potential sentence.
Answer Applies to: Michigan
Replied: 10/5/2011
Law Office of Richard Williams
Law Office of Richard Williams | Richard Williams
She would likely rely on the defense of self defense. The question as to whether self defense was justifiedwouldbe one for the judge due to her age (13) and the likelihood that she would be treated as a juvenile.
Answer Applies to: Alabama
Replied: 10/5/2011
Law Office of Jonathan T. Sarre
Law Office of Jonathan T. Sarre | Jonathan T. Sarre
This sounds like a fairly clear case of defense of self or others. It would depend on what kind of threat the drunk guy posed and whether the girls believed themselves to be in danger.
Answer Applies to: Oregon
Replied: 10/5/2011
    Levine & McHenry LLC
    Levine & McHenry LLC | Matthew McHenry
    Defending another person is a defense to violent crimes.
    Answer Applies to: Oregon
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    Beaulier Law Office
    Beaulier Law Office | Maury Beaulier
    Self defense and defense of others are viable defenses to charges of assault, attempted murder or homicide. Of course, "reasonable force" must be used in relation to any threat presented.
    Answer Applies to: Minnesota
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Craig W. Elhart, P.C.
    Craig W. Elhart, P.C. | Craig Elhart
    It would depend on whether the prosecutor decided to bring any charges against the 13 year old. It would also depend if the matter was handled in juvenile court or if the prosecutor moved to have the juvenile court waive jurisdiction.
    Answer Applies to: Michigan
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Office of Eric Sterkenburg
    Law Office of Eric Sterkenburg | Eric Sterkenburg
    The killing of a human can be justified by self-defense or the defense of others. If a person has a reasonable belief that they or another is in danger of losing there life that killing is justified. Like any criminal case the choices on how to proceed depends on the facts. Based upon what you wrote she should be ok. However, your best action now would be to consult with an attorney.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Office of Charles J. Block
    Law Office of Charles J. Block | Charles J. Block
    She could be charged, but it would depend on all of the circumstances. This is a very fact sensitive situation and any charges will follow the prosecutor's investigation. Since she was 13, she is a juvenile and the law will be require you to hire an attorney or apply for the public defender.
    Answer Applies to: New Jersey
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Klisz Law Office, PLLC
    Klisz Law Office, PLLC | Timothy J. Klisz
    It could be defense of others, which is a defense to murder or manslaughter.
    Answer Applies to: Michigan
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    John V Commons, Attorney at Law
    John V Commons, Attorney at Law | John Commons
    The doctrine of self defense includes defense of a third person. If the action she took was necessary to prevent serious bodily injury or death of another person, that it is a valid defense.
    Answer Applies to: Indiana
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Burdon and Merlitti
    Burdon and Merlitti | Adam Van Ho
    Under the situation you just described, the person could be charged with any level of offense, ranging from murder to manslaughter, but would have an excellent defense of defense of self/others. However, it would be more advisable for the friend/sister to call the police as soon as the situation starts to look bad, and then let them take care of the situation.
    Answer Applies to: Ohio
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Offices of George Woodworth & Associates
    Law Offices of George Woodworth & Associates | George Woodworth
    There is a viable defense here. One may, under the proper circumstances, use that physical force necessary to prevent injury/death to another person. It is called "defense of others." The facts and evidence should be analyzed to see if there was the requisite real likelihood of injury or death about to happen that night. If that can be established then that would be a defense to the charge of murder or great bodily injury. Of course, the girl may only use that degree of force that is necessary to prevent harm to another. This is a complex matter that usually involves specific factual/evidence analysis, and intricate rules of evidence. Get her a very, experienced criminal defense Attorney.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Theresa Hofmeister, Attorney At Law
    Theresa Hofmeister, Attorney At Law | Theresa Hofmeister
    While it sounds there is a good chance for a successful self-defense/defense of others claim, all those circumstance would have to be proven in court. So, no one can tell you at this time what would happen - if the DA would prosecute against the 13 year old or not, if the girl would be convicted of anything and if so what and what (if anything) her sentence or punishment would be. Contact a local criminal defense attorney in your area.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Austin Legal Services, PLC
    Austin Legal Services, PLC | Jared Austin
    If someone used lethal force to defend themselves or defend someone else that is facing lethal or potentially lethal harm, that is legally justifiable. The facts will determine if it is or not. If she is charged with a crime, she needs to retain a lawyer as soon as possible.
    Answer Applies to: Michigan
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Office of Richard Southard
    Law Office of Richard Southard | Richard C Southard
    There is a body of legal cases that deal with "self defense of others", The first question is whether or not they are charging her as an adult. There just isn't enough facts to answer your question more fully.
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Cynthia Henley, Lawyer
    Cynthia Henley, Lawyer | Cynthia Henley
    One cannot use deadly force (a knife, gun, etc.) against the unlawful use of non-deadly force (a slap, kick, punch, etc.) IfX is being assaulted by A, then Y, Z, and anyone else can join in to stop the assault but the knife is a problem. Legally they could be charged with aggravated assault with a deadl weapon which carries to 2 to 20 years in prison for an adult, or a juvenile who has been certified to be tried as an adult. However, depending on the facts, the prosecuor could exercise great discretion with regard to prosecution.
    Answer Applies to: Texas
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Office of Daniel K Martin
    Law Office of Daniel K Martin | Daniel K Martin
    It is difficult to provide a definite answer to this because the court will consider the 'totality of circumstances' or all of the circumstances of the situation. How big is the attacker compared to the 13? Was there a delay in the retaliation? Based on the details that you have provided I would say that there would be no criminal liability on the part of the 13 year old because a person can use the amount of force necessary to repel an attack on them. (This is called self defense) A person can also use the amount of force necessary to repel an attack on another person. (This is called defense of others) A thirteen year old girl against a full grown man would need a lot of 'force' to repel an attack, as long as she stopped as soon as the threat was over she should be ok.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Alanna D. Coopersmith, Attorney at Law
    Alanna D. Coopersmith, Attorney at Law | Alanna D. Coopersmith
    Self defense and defense of another are both complete legal defenses to murder.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    Law Offices of Ramona Hallam
    Law Offices of Ramona Hallam | Ramona Hallam
    In every case, there are charges filed or not. The facts you set forth, if believed, would either be grounds for the District Attorney to not file charges, or if charges are filed, to serve as an affirmative defense against the charges. It is difficult to speculate on the outcome and most times, especially when there is a stabbing, the District Attorney and police take the matter quite seriously. Suppose a group of people decide to stab and then merely assert that the stabbed person was a violent attacker. This would become a common defense. It is important to remember that if there is any basis for bringing charges, the People will.
    Answer Applies to: California
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Freeborn Law Offices, P.S.
    Freeborn Law Offices, P.S. | Steve Freeborn
    Sounds like a clear issue of self defense, in which case, nothing would happen to her.
    Answer Applies to: Washington
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    Law Office of Jared Altman
    Law Office of Jared Altman | Jared Altman
    If she can prove self defense or that she came to the aid of another then she may walk.
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    Law Offices of John Carney
    Law Offices of John Carney | John Carney
    You are allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself or others unless they can escape safely. You do not have to "escape" or 'retreat' from your own home, but if you can simply walk away you cannot use deadly force. I do not know enough about the circumstances to tell you if the person has the defense of "justification", know as "self-defense" or "defense of others". If the person is arrested they should remain silent and not talk to anyone, especially the police or prosecutors, no matter what they promise or threaten. They should not discuss the matter now or in the future since that can be used as evidence against them. Retain a good criminal attorney to advise you on how to proceed. Remember, "Fish only get caught when they open their mouth".
    Answer Applies to: New York
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    John Segelbaum, P.S.
    John Segelbaum, P.S. | John Segelbaum
    A perosn can use reasonable and necessary force to defend themselves or a third person from injury or death.
    Answer Applies to: Washington
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Kevin Smith, Attorney at Law
    Kevin Smith, Attorney at Law | Kevin Smith
    Under those circumstances, in Connecticut, no. Not if I'm defending her.
    Answer Applies to: Connecticut
    Replied: 10/28/2011
    Betts Legal Services
    Betts Legal Services | Shawn M. Betts
    She could face a homicide or manslaughter charge, but she may not be charged, as she would have a strong legal defense of defense of others, and given her age, the State may choose not to charge her.
    Answer Applies to: Minnesota
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Law Office of Rankin Johnson IV, LLC
    Law Office of Rankin Johnson IV, LLC | Rankin Johnson IV
    It would depend on a lot of details. It's not a crime to use reasonable force to defend yourself from an unlawful attack. An intentional killing not in self-defense is murder, and, if it was provoked by an extreme emotional disturbance or was not intentional it might be manslaughter or a lesser crime. Whether the facts you outline constitute self-defense would ultimately be up to the prosecutor deciding whether to issue a charge, and to the jury.
    Answer Applies to: Oregon
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Timothy J. Thill P.C.
    Timothy J. Thill P.C. | Timothy J. Thill
    I cannot say for sure what would be the outcome of this situation, however, I would suggest that the girl would not be held liable, as this sounds like a case of justifiable homicide, the girl was acting to save the life of another. Not knowing if this fact situation actually occurred or not, I am assuming it did. The police and prosecutor's office will investigate the matter thoroughly, and if they feel probable cause to lodge additional charges is warranted, they will in all liklihood charge her as a juvenile, but under the fact situation you have drawn up, I seriously doubt that any sentence will be renderred against the girl.
    Answer Applies to: Illinois
    Replied: 10/5/2011
    Connell-Savela
    Connell-Savela | Jason Savela
    That is defense of others, if a person uses reasonable amount of force to repel or stop what that person reasonably believes is or will be an attack on themselves or another deadly force is allowed where a person believes, it is necessary to stop the attack or where the person believes deadly force may be used. If the only way to stop the attack is deadly force, then you may use it no matter what, get an attorney, say nothing to the police [other than maybe - he was attacking her, so I did it] but best not to guess - say nothing other than I want an attorney and then only tell the attorney what happened.
    Answer Applies to: Colorado
    Replied: 10/5/2011
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